Thanks for the clarification BM.
The WT tries to say that since death was a corporate affair, then the offer of life is also a corporate affair. They liken salvation to getting in an ark....aka their organization/church.
They connect the dots by saying you have to find the right religion to get salvation. In reality, all a person has to do is find Jesus. And, he is not far from anyone.
Hebrews 9: 27 says that everyone will be individually judged. In other words, we won't be judged based on what we did with a religion. We will be judged based on what we did with Jesus. Salvation (and Judgment) is a very private affair.
That was my point.
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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE
by BoogerMan instudy watchtower, p. 10 par.
6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
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by moley inare the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .
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It would seem the charismatic leaders of the last century of the WBTS are long gone and what you have left are a group of corporate goons whose only goal is to keep the gravy train going.
Big Dog, you nailed it. That is just exactly what is happening. They sense that the organization is going off the rails on a
gravycrazy train and have no freaking idea of what to do about it.The good news is that people are starting to wake up. The GB just can't figure out why people are getting off their Crazy Train. Too many mental wounds not healing. People are figuring out that it is the WT that is making them sick.
Ozzy Osbourne seemed to prophesy about this moment in JW history:Crazy Train byOzzy OsbourneAll aboard! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay...
Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love and forget how to hate
Mental wounds not healing
Driving me insane
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
Let's go!
I've listened to preachers, I've listened to fools
I've watched all the dropouts who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
ThemediaWT sells it and you live the role
Mental wounds not healing
Who am I to blame?
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy trainI know that things are going wrong for meYou've got to listen to my wordsSo, to any GB reading this post - this song is for you: -
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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE
by BoogerMan instudy watchtower, p. 10 par.
6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
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Study Watchtower, p. 10 par. 6 - "A ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
In its simpliest biblical context, it means simply the price of freedom.
Websters - 1828 Edition
Ransom
RAN'SOM, noun
1. The money or price paid for the redemption of a prisoner or slave, or for goods captured by an enemy; that which procures the release of a prisoner or captive, or of captured property, and restores the one to liberty and the other to the original owner.
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I think there is a lot of confusion over who is running the WT.
On page 125, of the Revelation Climax book, the Society suggests that some Witnesses who died in earlier years “may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.” This is reminiscent of their teaching in 1917 that the then-dead Pastor Russell was still running the organization from “beyond the veil” (The Finished Mystery,144,256).
Maybe the spirits are now telling the GB to let the legal dept. run it, under God's guidance of course.
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Q. Didn't you state that on October 15, 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued the naming of an editorial committee and then Jehovah God became the editor?
A. I didn't say Jehovah God became the editor. It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place.Q. At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?
A. He is today the editor of the paper.Q. How long has He been editor of the paper?
A. Since its inception he has been guiding it.As usual, the WT wants ALL of the authority of God without any responsibility that goes along with such a claim.
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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE
by BoogerMan instudy watchtower, p. 10 par.
6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
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Why do these details matter? We are born, we live and we
die(become separated from our bodies)Instead, I say that we are confident and willing to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Cor. 5:8 MEV
This is why it matters. Because you are made in the eternal image of God, you will be conscious forever. Are you willing to be present with the Lord when you die Rattigan?
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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE
by BoogerMan instudy watchtower, p. 10 par.
6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
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God decided to create things in such a way that Adam's sins would be passed on to his children. That's not fair.
When Adam fell, he fell all the way body, spirit & soul.... everything was disconnected from the Source of Life and decay (entrophy) set in. Since the earth was under the jurisdiction of Adam, it fell too; and entrophy set in there as well. Everything changed.
Although the losses were great, none of the losses in my opinion compares to the loss of the greatest gift of all - the ability to choose. Hostility toward God became embedded in human nature, outside of our choice.
Because of the deity, death, and resurrection of Jesus - choice was restored. Now we don't have to wonder whether or not we would have taken the fruit like Eve. Each of us now gets a choice, as if there wasn't any death penalty hanging over our head.
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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE
by BoogerMan instudy watchtower, p. 10 par.
6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.
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Booger Man,
I'm not sure if you are saying that you believe the Wt's story about Jesus purchasing something that Adam lost.
If you are, I have to disagree.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Cor. 5: 21
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3: 18 KJV
Jesus trades places with each believer and pays the death penalty price (ransom) for them - for their sin, not Adam's. While the ransom payment of death (the wages of sin is death) is avaialable to all, God respects the choice not to receive it as well. The word "might" in both the verses above refers to whether or not an individual person receives the payment or not.
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Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?
by Sea Breeze infound this on fb from the recent losch talk.
time for a new business model?.
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They'll just sugar coat it and make it sound different.
Exactly. Once you get their linguistic
giftgrift, it's east to predict what they will do. They play games with commonly understood definitions to deceive.EX. - Lying isn't a sin if you are conducting spiritual warefare.
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Haven't you heard? Fred Franz claimed under oath that Jehovah was the editor of the Watchtower magazine. They claimed to be a prophet and to be a "spirit directed organization".